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Stefan Molyneux@freedomain
May 21, 2024
UPB and Sex!
"Hey, Stef, what are your thoughts on the ethics of actions that are, in the immediate moment, not unethical, but in the long run, have the risk of becoming so? Let's say, for example, you develop a sexual relationship with a woman only for the sake of satisfying your vanity, insecurities, and sexual needs without the intention of a long-term commitment. If this action is between two consenting adults and doesn't violate the NAP or UPB, it can't be called unethical. However, should a pregnancy occur, either the resulting abortion or the child raised by two parents who are only drawn together by lust has the potential for unethical outcomes. The promiscuity isn't unethical if both parties are honest about what they're doing, but the consequences can spiral into unethical territory. What then is the ethical status of promiscuity if it is voluntary? Is the correct word irresponsible rather than unethical?
"Is the failure of parents to secure a safe environment for their children to be raised in unethical if they had the chance to do so? If so, does this mean that we can create a term like retrospective ethics, which refers to ethical judgments that are validated only by looking backwards in time after the consequences are played out instead of through reason alone? Before the ethical judgments are validated, they are simply speculative, so maybe they can be referred to as speculative ethics before consequences validate or invalidate the judgments. The main problem I found with this reasoning is in finding the first cause. If promiscuity is unethical only when certain consequences occur, why do we focus on the act of sex rather than the preceding acts such as the flirtation and escalating behaviors? How would we locate the first domino that kick-started this unethical chain in order to assign ethical judgment to the correct behavior? Is this why UPB and ethics as a whole cannot be based on consequences?"
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The Proof for Universally Preferable Behavior expressed in Anglo-Saxon English
The showing-true for All-World Best-Chosen Ways of Acting (UPB) goes like this:
First, UPB is a frame-work for checking good-deed thoughts. It says right-doing is a kind of all-folk best acts that are true and steady, like knowledge-seeking ways. These acts are not must-do like breathing, but if you want to live or speak true, you must choose them. They stand on mind-strength and world-truths, not god-tales or might-makes-right. Good-deed rules must hold for all folk, all times, all spots—no outs or half-ways. They must fit together without fight, and show in real life like killings or takings being shunned by most.
The showing starts by throwing out bad bases: You can't get good-rules from just living-through, from what-happens-next, from high-sky worlds, from king-laws, or from hurt-feels. No straight bridge from "is" to "should." Begin with thinking no good-rules are, then build with mind-logic.
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